New Thinking for
New Times
Debating points
Kate Fearon
'You are being too ambitious'; you are not being ambitious
enough'. 'You must stay at grassroots level'; 'you must involve
the middle classes'. 'You must work with politicians, not against
them'; 'you must seek an alternative to the political party structure'.
This section records the issues which the conference participants
identified as important, in both the plenary session and their
completed evaluation sheets: what they said on the proposed agenda
of Democratic Dialogue, the role of young people, the basic principles
of democracy itself and - overarching all these - the absolute
need for dialogue at any and all levels.
Below, we highlight some of the comments, suggestions and questions
the participants offered, together with some of the answers from
the invited speakers, grouped according to the major themes which
emerged.
Although young people had been identified by Democratic
Dialogue as key contributors to the conference, various factors
- not least that it was examination season - led to their being
under - represented on the day. However, those who were there
had no hesitation in expressing typical youth perspectives:
I am a 23-year-old woman in Northern Ireland who is very, very
interested in politics, but currently there is no political party
in this state that I could vote for. That means I've no stake
in my future. There is a group of people in Northern Ireland that
have been totally excluded from politics or anything else that
has happened in the last 25 years: young people. I want to know
what Democratic Dialogue are going to do for the young people
in Northern Ireland. Are they going to consult them?
Young, gifted and ... hacked off with local politics
This viewpoint was echoed by older participants, who spoke of
a different kind of agenda young people might have:
The existing political agenda, not only in Northern Ireland
but in large parts of the world, is perceived by young people
as being of very limited relevance to their experience, for example
because they live in a more global world, they don't accept traditional
structures and so on. We need to find ways of specifically trying
to encourage dialogue amongst young people around issues that
young people themselves identify as being crucial. The question
of the different kind of agenda young people will tend to present,
and how Democratic Dialogue can best create a forum which could
address that issue, is something that we need to explore.
Other delegates prioritised the role of young people to an even
greater degree:
Our young people are our future. The young people are the people
that we want to work for, to ensure that they don't have to go
through the same agony and horrors, and terrorism and tragedy,
that we have had to go through. I can sympathise with the young
people when they say that no political party is paying attention
to the bread-and-butter issues.
The idea of a changing world-view, for both older and younger
generations, was developed further: we are moving away from traditional
thinking, and in this younger people are taking the lead. It is
something Democratic Dialogue should maintain and develop. As
one attendee put it,
I want to say that older people would have no difficulty in
subscribing to a youthful agenda, and in that sense I would like
to congratulate Democratic Dialogue on taking the first steps
to establishing a youthful and new agenda. I took on board the
remarks that were made about the changing position and the changing
global atmosphere that we live in and the fact that greater and
greater numbers of people are not seeing the world - and this
goes for older people as well - in the same traditional terms
as it was seen hitherto.
Globalisation, touched on by Anthony Giddens, was the subject
of further discussion during the ensuing debate. Both the positive and negative offshoots of this new, yet inescapable,
phenomenon were illustrated by Prof Giddens - for example, global
co-operation as evidenced by the economic ties of a structure
such as the European Union, and, conversely, the ignorance, alienation
and sometimes violence of fundamentalism:
Globalisation doesn't mean, of course, the development of big
systems. It means a shake-out of local systems. If you get demands
for, say, local autonomy, local nationalism, what do they represent?
Localisation. An emphasis on the significance of local initiative,
the resurgence of various forms, anyway, of local organisation
- these are made possible precisely by globalisat ion. One shouldn't
exaggerate, but as for the idea of partnership as has been described
- a sort of network of authority - some of the most successful
sites of economic development in the European Union are those
that precisely apply such a model.
In previous times you got along with other people, often just
from being separate from them. Geographical separation was the
condition of a globally cosmopolitan world. It can no longer be
so when everyone is in touch with one another, especially through
electronic media. It's a very different situation for us, and
consideration of fundamentalism is really very important. It has
application in any domain. It doesn't have to be religious fundamentalism,
it doesn't have to be ethnic fundamentalism; it can invade any
domain where there's a refusal of dialogue.
In response to a question on social exclusion - particularly
in terms of the long-term unemployed, Rory O'Donnell argued that
the notion that all the unemployed were excluded, and not represented
in dialogues between employers and government (in the republic),
was debatable. He felt the trade unions could argue, with some
merit, that many unemployed people were represented through the
unemployed centres they ran. He argued that the difficult issue
was that unemployed people were excluded much more from access
to everyday things than from these bargaining processes.
Mr O'Donnell suggested that there was a "functional logic
to this kind of partnership" between the employers, trade
unions and the state, even if at that level the unemployed remained
excluded. In local partnerships, however, representation was quite
different, with community groups, unemployed groups and so on
represented, as was entirely appropriate. He felt the challenge
was to find ways of representing the socially excluded that were
meaningful and effective.
Expanding on his notion of dialogic democracy - which he
distinguished from participatory democracy - Prof Giddens again
referred to how the life-plan systems of today "aren't the
same as they used to be". In many domains, there was a renegotiation
of authority, in which it was recognised that both sides had contributions
to be made. This not only applied in business, but in the family
and gender relationships, and in many other domains of the modern
world - where in essence what was at stake was a negotiated system
of authority. The distinction between participatory democracy
and dialogic democracy was that the latter required institutionalised
fora in which people not only participated but discussed with
one another and reached decisions - by the force of better argument,
rather than by force itself.
The core of the discussion, however, focused firmly on
the need for dialogue - with, in particular, the idea that Democratic
Dialogue should pioneer a regular forum for discussion. Contributions
were extensive, yet self-explanatory. People were, contrary to
common opinion, very sure of what they wanted, as the excerpts
below demonstrate:
- I think it goes without saying that in the last ten months
big and small initiatives have been very useful in underpinning
the peace process. I think that there's an obvious need for more
dialogue at this level. At this particular time, there's an imbalance
in the process of dialogue that is actually taking place in the
country. There is an absence of seriousness on the part of the
British government in terms of their contribution to the process
of dialogue, which is absolutely essential if we're going to go
forward to find a political settlement to this long-standing conflict.
I thought it was very interesting the way Prof Giddens linked
together the global, the local and the personal. What has happened
in the past 10 months, arising out of 25 years of conflict, is
that expectations have arisen that the opportunities provided
by the two ceasefires will indeed bring more dialogue - bring
more people out to discuss, in a more serious way, institutions
which do reflect the diversity of the Irish people, and can, actually,
help ensure that we don't find ourselves slipping back to events
prior to August of last year.
- We welcome dialogue and we welcome the fact that Democratic
Dialogue is going to promote it. There isn't enough of it. Very
few people are involved in dialogue: political party membership,
for example, is very low. We should let people practise dialogue,
work out different ways of facing procedures, different ways of
making decisions and also look at the political parties - how
they are structured, the membership - because people have wanted
to get involved for a long time. At the same time they haven't
heard anybody offer a satisfactory alternative to political parties.
- As a coalface community worker, one who has lived and worked
in north Belfast over some of the most hectic times, witnessing
the violence at first hand, I would refer you to a statement in
the Frameworks document, which states that the British government
will act as facilitator in conjunction with the Irish government,
the Americans and Europe to allow the people from here to establish
a system for themselves. Regarding what delegates said when they
stated that dialogue was not being allowed, I would ask Democratic
Dialogue to urge the government, to make representations to the
government to please start getting their act together and please
let people talk because, if we don't talk, we're going to go back
to where we were before. No preconditions. We don't need them.
- There are some people who are interested in the academic
world-view. Some people will be very interested in the practicalities
at local level. If you try and bring these two together in discussion,
it won't work. You'll be working at two different levels. So we
have to get together and think intelligently about who we get
together and talk about different aspects, and also at what levels
they will be discussing it. Then you should bring those together
to get the true direction that we should be taking. In order for
this to work, we will have to encourage a self belief in the people
of Northern Ireland that they can make the change.
- The main constitutional parties don't want to get involved
in dialogue, particularly with community workers and the smaller
parties. Is there any possibility that Democratic Dialogue could
set up an alternative forum for so-called round-table talks and
any future Northern Ireland assembly? There is a difference between
representative democracy and participatory democracy, and elected
representatives have never represented the people of Northern
Ireland.
Democratic Dialogue did mean this as a genuinely consultative
conference, and we took careful note of what people said. We have
by no means presented an exhaustive account of the day's proceedings
in this rather eclectic sample of quotes, themes, suggestions
and questions - even some answers - in this section. We hope,
however, that it reflects the experience of those present, and
that it conveys, to those who were not, a flavour, not only of
the day but also of the organisation.
Democratic Dialogue certainly acquired a definite taste of what
people in Northern Ireland might want from it. It will continue
to identify and create platforms for the promotion of dialogue.
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Revising Opinions
Robin Wilson
On the strength of the foregoing feedback, Democratic Dialogue's
management committee revised its workplan in two ways.
First, the most popular theme recorded on conference participants'
evaluation sheets - where they could prioritise the proposals
Ms Donaghy advanced on behalf of the committee, or nominate their
own - turned out to be 'reconstituting politics'. This, plus the
strong calls for political dialogue at the conference, led the
committee to push this theme up its agenda, following only the
social exclusion report (the latter having such strong topicality
in the context of the European Union peace package).
The idea of a parallel political forum, suggested at the conference,
may gel neatly with preparatory work on this report. Such a forum
could give the smaller parties more of a say - another theme raised,
by the 'fringe' parties, at the conference - as well as providing
a voice for interested citizens. It could look at cross-party
concerns, like the lack of attraction of young people and women
into Northern Ireland politics. And, by not being structured as
a negotiating table, it might generate broader multiparty involvement
more quickly than the conventional talks-table structure might
permit. Views on this idea - from party and non-party sources
- would be very welcome.
Secondly, no doubt in part because of the Standing Advisory Commission
review of the issue, fair employment was not seen as a priority
for DD. But, as the conference debate highlighted, issues around
young people and distinct youth agendas were a common concern.
So the committee decided to substitute a report in that broad
area, with the precise themes to be worked out through establishing
a discussion group of young people themselves and those involved
in education. Anyone interested in taking part in that group should
contact the DD office.
Thus the revised DD programme, with provisional publication
dates, is:
1. Social Exclusion, Social Inclusion
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2. Reconstituting Politics | November 1995
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3. Creating Positive Cultures | January 1996
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4. Women in Public Life | March 1996
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5. Youth and Education | May 1996
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Updates on these reports, and associated opportunities
for participation, will be available in the DD newsletter. Subscription
details, including for the reports themselves, are included in
the enclosed form.
Early forthcoming events include a seminar in September to discuss
the draft elements of the social exclusion report, and a public
event in Derry on the 'reconstituting politics' theme.
Anyone who would like to take part in any of these events, or
who would like more information, or who has further comment on
DD's plans, should contact Kate Fearon or myself at the DD office
(details on inside front cover).
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